Harley Benton CST-24T Ocean Flame

I've watched 3 guitars so I have a benchmark. The violin maker who checked the guitar, when he hear how much it cost, declared that he would buy the same one.

Any reservations can be made to the small details of the guitar neck. The frets of the guitar were stained with glue, the fingerboard was scratched unevenly in places, in one of the guitars the wood of the fingerboard was of worse quality, it had more small gaps. I was worried that the flames pattern would not be too pronounced as I saw a few guitars on Youtube and they were almost smooth. But all three examples I compared had a beautiful, deep pattern.

The sound is satisfactory, of course the disconnected coils do not sound like the Stratocaster singles, but the humbuckers sound almost identical to the PRS Custom SE 24/08. Some people think that even in PRS made in Indonesia you have to change pickups to made in USA and then this guitar becomes full value. I am going to replace the pickups with the CST-24T, so it will eventually be cheaper, and the final visual and sound effect will be at a high level.

The only thing I'm worried about is that over time, the mechanical components on the Harley Benton may wear out faster, the neck may warp, etc.

Added on 08-08-2023:
I gave it to adjust the neck, because it was getting harder and harder. When tightening the screw, the fingerboard at the headstock began to bulge. It looks like the rod is too shallow. I can play, but I won't turn up the neck any more. Good thing for me it's just a backup guitar that I've never used on stage :-)

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Oglądałem 3 gitary, więc mam punkt odniesienia. Lutnik, który sprawdzał gitarę, gdy dowiedział się ile kosztowała, zadeklarował, że kupi sobie taką samą.

Ewentualne zastrzeżenia można mieć do drobnych szczegółów wykończenia gryfu gitary. Progi gitary były zabrudzone klejem, podstrunnica miejscami nierówno przytarta, w jednej z gitar drewno podstrunnicy było gorszej jakości, miało więcej drobnych szparek. Obawiałem się, że wzór flames nie bedzie zbyt wyraźny, bo na Youtube widziałem kilka gitar i były niemal gładkie. Ale wszystkie trzy egzemplarze, które porównywałem, miały piękny, głęboki wzór.

Dźwięk jest zadowalający, oczywiście rozłączone cewki nie grają tak jak singe Stratocastera, ale humbuckery brzmią niemal identycznie jak PRS Custom SE 24/08. Niektórzy uważają, że nawet w PRS made in Indonesia trzeba zmienić pickupy na made in USA i wtedy ta gitara staje się pełnowartościowa. Ja zamierzam wymienic pickupy w CST-24T, ostatecznie bedzie więc taniej, a końcowy efekt wizualny i brzmieniowy na wysokim poziomie.

Jedyne czego się obawiam, to tego, że wraz z upływem czasu osprzęt mechaniczny w Harley Benton może się szybciej zużyć, gryf zwichrować itp. Ale dzisiaj jestem bardzo zadowolony z zakupu.

Dodane 08-08-2023:
Oddałem ją do regulacji gryfu, gdyż stawała się co raz twardsza. Przy dokręcaniu śruby podstrunnica przy główce zaczęła się wybrzuszać. Wygląda na to, że pręt znajduje się zbyt płytko. Grać się da, ale dalej już gryfu nie podkręcę. Dobrze, że dla mnie to tylko gitara zapasowa, której nigdy nie użyłem na scenie :-)

My main guitar when gigging is a £5000 20th Anniversary PRS but when I wanted a backup guitar of the same scale length I thought I was going to get a PRS SE as it seemed to be the cheapest option, bearing in mind it was just going to sit on the stage in case I broke a string on the PRS.

After receiving my BigTone Vintage Guitar which I was very pleased with I decided to have a look at the Harley Benton PRS style selection
before I placed an order.

After doing a bit of research and watching of many youtube videos I thought I would take a punt and decided to order the CST-24T Ocean Flame, after all, if it was really rubbish (as some of the reviews stated, although the majority of the review were in favour), I could always send it back.

The delivery was up to Thomann's usual speed and 2.5 days after placing the order I was opening the box to my view my new toy.

After opening the box I was taken aback by the beauty of the guitar, I looked for the few blemishes (that were often mentioned in the reviews) in the finish, but could not find any, next, The neck felt really nice although the fretboard seemed a bit flatter than any other guitar I own. I put the tremolo bar into the socket (expecting it to be very loose and fall out, as per the reviews) and it was set up no differently from my PRS, loose enough to spin under tension but did not move on its own. The only visible issues I could find on the guitar were that the roseacre fretboard seemed very dry and the frets looked like they had a haze from polish on them. The frets ends were very smooth and seemed to be level.

Next I looked at the action which although okayish was higher than I prefer to have, so I wanted to test the electronics before making any physical adjustments to the guitar so that if it didn't work correctly I was still able to send it back. Fortunately all worked well. The bridge is a Wilkinson Tremolo and very well made, The tuners all worked well, and although I would have preferred locking tuners on a guitar with a Tremolo these seemed to do the job okay (although I will replace these later for locking types).

Firstly, I removed all the strings and set about oiling the fretboard with Lemon Oil, it took three full applications before the fretboard seemed sated and I was able to wipe off the excess. I then checked the frets with a straight edge and all seemed well. Next I installed a fresh set of Fender Stainless Steel Flatwound strings 9-42 and adjusted the action to suit my normal playing style. After letting the guitar settle down for a day I started playing it for real.

So to playing it, the guitar looks, plays and sounds fantastic. Although the pickups have a different sound to those on my PRS, it is not a bad sound, just different.

In conclusion, how does it stand up to my PRS, to be honest how could a £192 guitar stand up against a £5000 guitar? Well to be frank, it doesn't, but then is the £5000 guitar 25x better than the £192 guitar? Absolutely not, a set of new locking tuners, a change of electronics (pickups, pots, switch and output socket cost circa < £300) and the difference becomes very, very much closer.

28/04/18 I've just realised that my Ocean Flame CST-24T was made in Vietnam as opposed to China.

For the money, the one I have is incredible value, and I see another new CST-24T in Emerald Green Flame (I don't have a green guitar) on the horizon.

This is my third Harley Benton guitar. After I bought the first one, I knew I had to have more. It makes it possible to fill out your collection with models that you normally couldn't afford, and now have.
First and foremost, review after review out on You Tube etc. the number one comment is that it plays and sounds better than any other guitar in my collection. This is met with several comments that they thought the pickups were a little dark, and wanted to swap them out. That's the irony of the situation. You can either get low output pickups which are very bright, but lack some extra depth, or you can get full humbuckers and then add the coil split option which gives you the best of both worlds.
I play this guitar through a Blues Deluxe 40-watt tube amp with a single twelve, and the tone is beautiful. I crank the treble back some and actually prefer the sound coming from the split coil option. It is like having an ultimate Strat but with just the right depth of tone. Then when I want to achieve that magic tone that I have long been looking for, I go full humbucker with just the right pedal settings.
What took me over the top was hearing this on You Tube by Jonathan Koh titled, "Harley Benton CST24T Black Flame with Helix LT" Listen to that. Turn it up. Notice he has the same setting, and only adjusts the volume level.
So now onto the guitar. This guitar was setup beautifully right out of the box. I think they take the extra 70 dollars or so and put every dime in the guitar.
The fit, the finish was all beautiful. If I had to get critical it would be that I wish the flame maple was done in such a way that it would shout from the rooftops, rather than being a transparent blue. I love the color, have been longing for a blue guitar, and I stared at the photos for a couple of weeks waiting for it to come back in stock.
This guitar has the HAF pickups which are high gain. If you want a guitar with the old PAF sound then the LAF pickup models are for you. I love them both. It's not yey this and boo that, but rather yey this and yey that. I’m staring at the LAF pickup models now ready to make a choice.
Now here is the crazy thing. This guitar not only stays in tune, it does so with a tremolo bar as long as it is setup correctly. In the past I skipped the tremolo feature on my other guitars because they would not stay in tune. When I saw so many reviews saying this one stayed in tune, I decided to dig in, and go for it.
It stays in tune even under the precision of a Peterson Stroboscopic tuner which is accurate to within a tenth of a cent, which is equivalent to a thousand segments between frets, and accurate to within one of those segments.
Okay so here is the key. You have to tweak the tremolo bar in the back of the guitar until it is just right. After getting the guitar in perfect tune, use the tremolo bar, and if it comes out a little sharp afterwards, the tremolo bar is tightened up too much, if it comes out a little flat it is not tight enough. So, go through the motions to get it just right. You know you are close when for example the first three strings are spot on, but the top three are a little flat or sharp; then snug up that sides adjusting screw accordingly, and get ready to experience a guitar you can do dive bombs with, and it comes out perfectly in tune. Nothing is more important than maintaining perfect tuning. It's like listening to a singer who sings off pitch. On the other hand, having something in pitch so well it sounds like an orchestra. Be sure to set the intonation perfectly as well.
I go up to beyond the 12th fret, and play a cowboy A chord leaving the 5th and 6th string open, fret the chord, and top it off with the high A fretted on the first string. Listen to it carefully, and experience an orchestra like experience as it fades out; this guitar is totally capable of that.
It's lighter than a Les Paul, and heavier than a Tele. The tuners work well, although they are not an 18-gear ratio. You may need to do a little tweaking when tuning with these, but no need for replacement, they hold tune impeccably, mostly due in part to the fact that the strings go straight through the nut, instead of veering off to the sides which causes binding. I don't even use Nut Sauce, which I used to use, and is a great product, I only now use a little dab of Vaseline on the nut, and bridge contact points using a toothpick.
I'm building my You Tube channel, have a studio with an RME Fireface UFX interface and Pro Tools, and plan on doing a You Tube presentation of this magnificent instrument. I really do love it. It's up there with the best in my collection. The mahogany grain on the back reminds me that this thing is built for tone, and performance. No messing around.

I was very careful about this brand, but it turned out to be in vain. Having pulled the guitar out of the box, I was pleasantly surprised by its beauty. Upon careful examination, I did not find any flaws, it really looks more expensive than it costs. My guitar was completely weakened anchor rod, so I had to make a complete detuning. And I was once again surprised that the frets are smooth and do not require polishing, as is usual with guitars of this price category. The guitar sounds great, replacement of pickups is not required. I did not find any disadvantages for myself. I really liked the guitar, the low price does not affect its quality in any way, but comes as a pleasant bonus. Thanks to everyone who is involved in creating such great guitars.
Я был очень осторожен к этому бренду, но оказалось напрасно. Вытащив гитару из коробки, я был приятно удивлен её красотой. При внимательном осмотре ни каких изъянов не нашел, она действительно выглядит дороже чем стоит. У моей гитары был полностью ослаблен анкерный стержень, поэтому пришлось сделать полную отстройку. И был еще раз удивлен, что лады ровные и не требую шлифовки, как обычно у гитар такой ценовой категории. Звучит гитара замечательно, замена звукоснимателей не требуется. Ни каких минусов для себя я не нашел. Гитара очень понравилась, низкая цена ни как не сказывается на её качестве, а идет как приятный бонус. Спасибо всем кто участвует в создании таких замечательных гитар.

I ordered this guitar in Ocean Flame last Thursday night (Chicago time), and it arrived in just four days (Monday afternoon). After unboxing it, I took a little time to adjust the action (simple enough) and remove the center vibrato spring (simple enough). A couple of little tweaks, and it was ready to play.

This thing roars! The humbuckers are full and warm without being muddy, and it has that Telecaster "quack" when you engage the coil taps without managing to sound shrill. The one I ended up with is actually pretty lightweight (about nine pounds), which is a pleasant surprise.

It's also absolutely stunning to look at. The translucent blue paint shows off the flame maple top, belying the fact that it's a veneer, and the mahogany wood grain is clearly visible throughout the rest of the guitar.

My only real gripes are with the vibrato system. It simply does not want to stay in tune. I attribute it more to the tuners than the vibrato itself, and with the tweaks I made, it may yet settle down and stay in tune okay (I can get it to work well enough if I divebomb it a few times to knock it out of tune, then retune), but for now, it isn't very useful. This is a minor gripe, however, and is ultimately fixable with a few little tweaks. I may also put locking tuners on it eventually, but it isn't a priority right now.

For what I paid ($330 shipped), it's an insane value. I've played a few PRS SEs, and this easily holds its own with those in my opinion. All in all, I really couldn't be more happy with this!

I was very excited to get this guitar.
I'm mainly a bass player but play guitar on the side for recording and home use.
This is the first time i ordered a guitar without playing it before.
My expectations were kinda shaped by the youtube research i did before (which is overall very positive).
Mine took about a week to get delivered in Holland.

Pros:
It was absolutely playable right out of the box.
Although action was set quite high, it was in tune.
Paintjob is flawless, frets are very nicely finished and the fretboard looks realy nice too... no glue traces, spots, cracks or anything like that.
Small detail: mine is 'made in China' as opposed to 'Vietnam' like most recent reviews

Tuners feel solid. No problem tuning and the guitar stays in tune, even after bending strings.
The Roswell pickups sound great and with the split coil option u get an extra set of different tones... clearly audible without loadz of distortion.
The versatility was actually my main reason i chose this guitar.
Electronics work as they should and the controls feel solid as well.

Cons:
A bit of a downer was the actual flame on the top. On my CST it is kinda subtle, hardly visble when not in direct daylight.
Definitely not as eye-catching like i've seen in most videos and pictures.
Also, the tremolo was setup very tight. It really needs to be pushed down hard which makes it hard to make a fluid bend. I guess this can be fixed by adjusting the trem.
Furthermore, after bending with the tremolo, the guitar tends to get out of tune a bit. This is probably due to the nut.

Apart from the downsides as mentioned above it's a great guitar for the price.
So far it's definetely on par with the VM Squier and Ibanez guitars and basses i've played
It sounds great, and It absolutely looks and feels way more expensive then it is.
So far it is so fun to play, i have given way to little love to my basses these past days.

I ordered the CST 24T in ocean flame as an all rounder and it looks beautiful. The neck has a nice profile and is easy to play. The fretboard is nice on the tips and feels of good quality. I played this side by side with a PRS SE custom 24 for a couple of days, and although you could feel differences in how it plays, I would never think the HB had a -£500 difference in price, it easily feels like a £400 - £500 guitar.
The pickups are a little hotter than usual, but I went in knowing this from other reviews and its a feature I really don't mind for the genre of music I play. That being said, running it on a clean channel delivers nice results. Overall this guitar is a great instrument and I'm more often inclined to take it places to play and show off to mates just to see the look on their faces when they play it and realise that it's actually a great piece of kit.
Overall, I am happy with my purchase and would conclude that the price tag is not a reflection of the product you will recieve. You'll feel like Thomann made a mistake at the online checkout.😀

I've always wanted a PRS style double cut kinda like Carlos', but I never could justify the higher price. The CST-24-T looked quite promising, and the beautiful ocean flame color sealed the deal for me. I have absolute NO problems with the guitar itself; it is very high quality, and every well constructed and finished. My only complaint is the excessive neck size IMHO. Build the CST24-T with a copy of the Gibson 60's era Slim Taper Neck, and you would then have PRS/Gibson perfection in one package.
The coil-split feature is great for those who use it, and the coil splits with both pickups gives the same tone you get from Page's Telecaster on the solo to "Stairway to Heaven," a TRULY CLASSIC rock solo not meant to be played by raw beginners.

I have guitars from squier bullet, affinity, classic vibe, Clapton custom shop, and a schecter and have previously owned a PRS Santana se.
I hesitated buying this thinking I have enough cheap/affordable guitars.
How wrong I was, this is now my main guitar, it is similar in price to the classic vibe, but is much better, the finish is beautiful flame, binding flawless and the trem system is awesome. A push in arm with no wobble, unlike all the squires and the schecter. It came perfectly set up for me, fret ends good, action good, no buzz or dead notes.
I play in hot and cold conditions in the same few hours (I live in Scotland weather sunny one minute and cold the next)
It does not alter the playability of it, and the tuning stability on great.
It is truly remarkable that this guitar is this price, I swear that if I’d paid £1000 (4 times the price) I’d still be happy.
I now have no doubts on buying any Harley Benton.
Well done Thomann. 👌👏👏